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If an audience didn't like them, they'd get so miserable about it. I've done it a little bit lately — I'll emcee a concert, something like that. I say, "We're not gonna be friends until we get this done. I was staying over at my friend's house and there it was on the bedside table, and I'm reading it and I'm thinking it's an essay, so it's gonna be like four pages. Game One, the papers were like the last days of Watergate. But I only had to do it once to realize I could do it, but I don't want to do it. There are people who drove me crazy, but they got the job done. There are people who want to be your friend right away. And the columnists went, "Here we go again." They write with vitriol. We don't actually grow the avocados, but they're next door. [Goes into the kitchen to get a couple of avocados.] Feel those. People don't know: You put a ripe avocado in the refrigerator and they stop where they are. SR: What are they in relationship to oranges and tangerines? I felt like, Shit, I did somethin' right, you know? You were nice to me." And I thought, Whew, that's good.

SR: Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, those guys — BM: They keep going. BM: I've had it looked at, but it does shake on that side. I ended up much closer to my guys than I ever would have been. Sometimes you can get into a restaurant where the kitchen is just closing. But the only time it really matters is in the emergency room with your kids. And he's grown as a person, as a man, as a movie director. And he's managed to make the making of movies a real living experience. You could be relaxed in your own skin, but it also meant that you could work endless, ungodly art-movie hours because there was gonna be a meal prepared for you when you're done. BM: There's only a couple times when fame is ever helpful. SR: The last time we talked about Wes Anderson was after what sounded like a horrible experience in Italy for The Life Aquatic. BM: Wes is still a young man, but he was just a kid when I met him on Rushmore. And now, like myself, he's had a second life as an actor. SR: Just mention "Scott Raab." They love me in Charleston.

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